Former NATO Officer Fighting on the Side of the DPR: If You Poke the Bear Long Enough, He Will Wake Up

Translated by Ollie Richardson & Angelina Siard


The former NATO officer and Dutchman by the name of Pascal told the correspondent of the Federal News Agency (FAN) about the subtleties of the war in Ukraine according to NATO standards, and the difficult choice to learn the Russian language.

Pascal is 38 years old, he went to voluntary fight for Donbass. The fighter says that there has been no trace of a truce for a long time — a shell arrived last night, but the military personnel of the DPR comply with orders not to conduct return fire.

“Of course, DPR soldiers are very motivated: this is their home, they lived here before Ukraine was divided. Poroshenko tells them to go home, but they are already at home,” said Pascal.

It is noteworthy that before his trip to Donbass he served in NATO 15 years ago. There Pascal learned many things that helped him in life, but a lot of time has passed since then.

“You can say whatever you want about NATO, but they are well prepared. And there is nothing strange in this — they wage wars worldwide. But you look at what they did in Libya — they destroyed the entire country by bombing, and killed more than Gaddafi did. There is the opinion that NATO created ISIS … If you want to find information – the Internet is full of it, but our people are thus indifferent,” considers the fighter.

According to him, the Dutch are busy with their own life: they pay taxes, work, and think that if everything is good for them, then everything in the world is all right. Pascal holds another opinion — he thinks that his former government sponsors war, but doesn’t want to pay for it.

“There are very good people here. They constantly ask why I came here, whether I brought my family with me, and sometimes thank me from their heart for what I did. In Holland nobody cares about what is happening. In Donbass the people have seen war for three years, it is difficult for them to make new friends — sometimes it’s noticeable,” said Pascal.

Apparently, the interlocutor of the FAN decided to settle here, in Donbass, after war ends, and to independently be engaged in educating his children. “They won’t return to Holland,” he said, “they are taught many useless things there”. Pascal wants his children to not be influenced by the system, and for nobody to determine how they think and what they should do.

Speaking about the system, the fighter remembered his service in NATO and tried to compare the standards of NATO armies 15 years ago to the level of UAF training.

“I have been here long enough to know how the Ukrainian soldiers fight. If NATO instructs the Ukrainian army, of course, they will use more effective tactics than they currently do. And I see that the Ukrainian army obviously doesn’t correspond to NATO standards. We fight here with weapons of Soviet production, NATO technologies are clearly better,” stated the fighter.

Now Pascal gradually learns Russian. Other fighters, in turn, through him learn some expressions in English and German. “When Pascal and Pogrants [call sign – ed] sit down to talk to each other — it’s very funny,” said a commander laughing. In extreme situations and combat conditions the language barrier is not a hindrance to fighters — they explain by gestures. “Gretsky orekh” [Walnut in Russian – ed] and the call sign of his friend “Pogranets” were the most difficult to pronounce for the Dutchman: Pascal spent almost three months becoming tongue-tied.

The volunteer doesn’t have any grandiose plans for the future, however in the event of “big war” he is ready to continue to defend Donbass.

“If you poke the bear for too long, at some point he will wake up. They went to Berlin already twice, and if there is a need the answer will be worthy. I am against fascism, and will also be on your side,” concluded Pascal metaphorically.

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